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Post by lizzie on Jul 16, 2012 0:32:00 GMT 1
I know some are trying to fit anything together to make it seem like Johnny is at fault because he says good things about his co-stars. He says effusive things about almost everyone he's ever worked with, men and women. He is a generous person and it is his nature to almost over praise people. In some ways I think he does it to deflect attention from himself. Whether or not it's true that he has a relationship with Heard, don't use his words of praise during a promotional tour as proof. If he hadn't said anything about her I'd have been more suspicious. I don't really care who if anyone is at fault for the breakdown of their relationship. Both Vanessa and Johnny have given me many hours of great entertainment and that's all they owe me. I can either walk away or accept them for who and what they are, most particularly gifted entertainers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 2:05:29 GMT 1
Okay,since we are free to voice our opinions I'm going to say this: I always thought that their relationship has a possibility of being an open relationship.You know what I mean...They were spending so many times apart it's hard for me to buy that no incident happened during that apart times.Maybe they accepted these little incidents of each other but in the end something went wrong. Disagree!They loved each too much for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 2:08:09 GMT 1
You are spot on, Emilie-Jolie. I'm so sick and tired of people being criticized for expressing their opinions on the rumors. Maybe some of you should acquaint yourselves with the definition of rumor. Rumor - A currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truthThis is a rumor thread so naturally we are going to discuss the rumors. True or not, this thread gives people an outlet to openly discuss them. Why can't they do so without being attacked? If you don't like it, then don't bother clicking this thread. Simple as that. I firmly believe people are still crushed by this split and it's a natural human reaction to want answers. Yes, we won't get any answers, but it may be simply comforting to talk amongst each other and speculate what went wrong in the relationship that seemed so indestructible. In time, we will all move on, like Vanessa and Johnny. Until then, the split is still very much fresh and confusing in our minds. I also think this thread has partly become a war of words between the Vanessa loyalists and Johnny loyalists. Enough. There's no need to get so defensive and aggressive when someone expresses a certain feeling or thought on Vanessa or Johnny. It's not a personal attack on you. Obviously, everyone is not going to share the same feelings and you don't have to agree with them. Just kindly agree to disagree. It seems respect has gone out the window in this thread. And how could anyone possibly defend cheating and partially blame the person being cheated on?!?! There is NO excuse for cheating. If you care enough for the person, you'll have the courtesy and courage to let the person know the relationship is not working or you're unhappy and get out of it. Cheating is so incredibly hurtful, dishonest, and disgusting. Everyone deserves to be happy, but not at the expense of someone you once loved. Agree!!! I agree that Johnny has always said nice things about his co star's and Vanessa does too. |
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Post by magicmoment on Jul 16, 2012 2:09:36 GMT 1
I know some are trying to fit anything together to make it seem like Johnny is at fault because he says good things about his co-stars. He says effusive things about almost everyone he's ever worked with, men and women. He is a generous person and it is his nature to almost over praise people. In some ways I think he does it to deflect attention from himself. Whether or not it's true that he has a relationship with Heard, don't use his words of praise during a promotional tour as proof. If he hadn't said anything about her I'd have been more suspicious. I don't really care who if anyone is at fault for the breakdown of their relationship. Both Vanessa and Johnny have given me many hours of great entertainment and that's all they owe me. I can either walk away or accept them for who and what they are, most particularly gifted entertainers. couldn't agree more! I try not to post anything on this tread but sometimes, I think it's so unfair to Johnny. About the rumor that Johnny buys Amber a horse. it's not confirmed by his rep. E! just said that it is confirmed but they don't tell us that who is confirm this rumor. they said 'a source' confirm us. accroding to this link. so just be fair, Valentina. www.eonline.com/news/325381/so-true-so-false-did-johnny-depp-buy-amber-heard-a-horse and I haven't seen a pic of Amber with a horse. so would you mind if I want to see it? and even though, she really has been seen with a horse, it doesn't mean that it is a horse that Johnny bought her. I also think that Johnny really has something with Amber. but sometimes, some people in this tread just act like some rumors that hasn't been comfirmed yet are true. I know it's rumor tread. but, let's be fair to Johnny, please. |
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Post by Serendipity on Jul 16, 2012 3:51:32 GMT 1
Since it's all rumors, and some of you have decided that Johnny was "cheating," how about this? What if Vanessa was the one cheating? I've seen pics of her with other guys, which is all they have to go on with Johnny and Amber, so let's see if we have anyone wanting to discuss Vanessa possibly being untrue? How about you, Kittycat...waht to discuss that? There is absolutely no need to attack each other directly on this thread. Now we are resorting to creating our OWN rumors about Vanessa cheating or Johnny cheating... you may notice that the tabloids aren't even getting as descriptive and volatile as fans are. I left this thread open because there are a lot of people who feel the need to express their sadness/confusion/anger about the situation, but I don't post here because there's really nothing to say that won't go in complete circles. I hope for all of your blood pressures that you can finally accept that these talks are getting you NO WHERE  I'm not saying you should stop, but it'll be much easier if you just let it go for a while... And yes, John Nollet is gay. He's her stylist and hairdresser, of course he's with her a lot. She's always spoken of the "fraternal" relationship with Mathieu. The French are very physically expressive and affectionate, regardless. I'm not surprised it looks like to the suspicious eye that there's something more between them. If they had an open relationship (quite possible), then there's really nothing to discuss, and that information will likely NEVER come out, because they're probably NEVER going to speak in any detail about their split. I think everyone here needs to accept the fact that we're never going to get answers to 99% of these questions, and even if, at some point, either of them goes public with a new relationship, we still won't know "when" that relationship started or how the ex-partner feels about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 5:30:00 GMT 1
Agree Kim In fact since they started dating their relationship was with distance included it was always like that and they did it nice during years, I think the Idea was spending time apart (for work) and trust on each other (that was what Vanessa said since the beggining of their relationship) the idea of just growing apart is very hard to believe to me, people grew apart all the time even shorter relationships and then they get together again and it's all fine again, this split of Johnny and Vanessa seems definitive and unfixable I don't really think they will ever get back together, Maybe there was cheating (any of the parts or mutual) or maybe not cheating but (any of them or both of them) met someone else people don't just fell out love and grew apart forever just because (specially someone that loved each other so much like Johnny and Vanessa did) if there's not cheating involved some of them or both parts met someone else adding the distance strain and constant on and offs (vanessa in 2010 told marie claire they actually had fights, not lies her own words) and later last year they decided to separate amicable just like his rep said. Also People magazine was the first to report they were separated and you see, they were right In the same cover they also said Vanessa was the one that walked away, because he was having problems with alcohol (as one of the reasons) I am not sure of that (if their reps allowed that) but considering they were absolutely right with the split, it makes perfect sense but now media forgot about that and they are trying to make him cheater and that he left her, people magazine story sounds more reliable.
serendipity personally I am not looking for answers we will never know exactly what happened and this thread is supposed to discuss rumors even when there are no rumors someone always bump this thread and of course everybody replies (including myself) too bad some people can't take with matureness and feel like attacking other people's opinions and points of views nobody is trying to demonize Johnny here we are just saying what we see If I haven't seen seen the pictures of heard in no way I would believe that rumors but if there are pictures It's too hard to believe they had a friendship more after they gushed about each other and It's even more suspicious since specially when they started promoting the film his relationship with Vanessa was on the rocks it could be the last reason why Vanessa walked away (like peoplemag said)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 5:35:41 GMT 1
but that just my speculation I hope that you are not jumping on me again, I said the same on other threads (even in forums of Johnny!) right now i am in other forum of Johnny and there they are discussing the idea that like people magazine said he might have (or had) problems with alcohol or the thing with heard if he cheated or not or if he is still seeing her AND THERE THEY ARE FANS AND NO ONE IS JUMPING ON EACH OTHER AND ATTACKING USERS AND THEY ARE ALL FANS OF JOHNNY and this is the only forum having discussions and being angry about it, I'll never understand  sometimes I think about stop commenting on this thread but then lots of people here say we can all share our opinions and then the ones who differ (like me) get bashed all over again and it's always the same all over again  .. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 5:50:00 GMT 1
^I Agree,you can go to a Johnny forum and say the same things being said here and no one gets angry but on here you get torn apart and this a Vanessa forum.
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Post by cari on Jul 16, 2012 7:11:47 GMT 1
The Johnny forum I read (the one ok'd by Johnny) does not discuss this stuff. They do not allow unfounded gossip about his personal life and they do not allow photos of his children, to honor his wishes. And I made no "personal attack" on anyone. Since it was said this forum was open to all opinions, I just thought I'd open the discussion to other possibilities. I asked the person who posted above me if she'd like to discuss that possibility. Or maybe just the possibility of it all being Johnny's fault was a better topic?
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Post by jcd on Jul 16, 2012 8:11:05 GMT 1
jcd, well we have a Johnny mutually gushing on his co-stars beauty like Eva Green and the same Heard, he compared heard's beauty with a classic hollywood diva and several times heard was literally 'fangirling' about him she said also he is everything you expect him to be and that she actually enjoyed being in a sandwich with him and Aaron Eckhart in rum diary that's not very classy thing to say really, and then we have them getting into separate ways in his private jet (confirmed by people magazine, pictures are on google I've seen it myself) and he bough her a horse (E! claims his rep confirmed that, I've seen heard's pic with a horse) then we have pictures of a mysterious woman getting in his car with a very similar clothing and jewelery than heard. Rumors claim (i am not saying its true) that he cheated with heard back in 2009 (when they shot the movie). Then we have a Johnny several times commenting on Eva Green's beauty and she said he is really sexy and stuff but sure Eva had the class to deny these rumors to the french media unlikely like Heard she has a career a reputation and she doesn't need PR or jobs, all that is a little confusing that's why people jump on Johnny and accuse him of cheater, for a person that hates fame and do everything to avoid it and hates scandals he is just giving more fire to the bonfire I think that's the mentality of the American people. You can hear such praises on every red carpet and in every interviews of each actor in Hollywood when they promote movies. |
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Post by avi on Jul 16, 2012 8:18:36 GMT 1
I think is so useless try to blame any of them ...because, as Serendipity has said, we'll never know what really happened... About the rumors that are being discussed...I have to say this isn't the first time I've read people suggesting that they had an "open relationship" ...and when Vanessa said in an interview: "You don't eat the same food every day..." a lot of people interpreted it as she was assuming the "openness"... And if we want to believe in tabloids (about Johnny cheating) then we should also have to believe to the same tabloids when they said that Vanessa was "aware" of it and she did nothing because the "real" break between them was two years ago ...and that's was the moment when all changed, including the "fidelity rules"... Choose to believe some things that pleased our "beliefs" looks unfair if we rejected the rest of the story, isn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 8:32:09 GMT 1
Not really, the idea of them having an open relationship is quite stupid lol, they had their relationship like always they just spent too much apart (and had other problems that definitely broke the glass that we will never know) doesn't mean they agreeded to see other people if someone cheated they cheated just that no excuses, I don't see them both agreeded to cheat on each other they were a serious relationship not a teen relationship, and suppose they had an open relationship they would not have split and they did, they will just keep on seeing other people and getting back to eachother in a blink of an eye, also in the interview Vanessa meant that you have to avoid the routine of everyday doing the same with your partner nor that you have to go and see/get/eat other people, looks like another excuse of some fans trying to excuse cheating rumors .. |
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Post by avi on Jul 16, 2012 9:11:26 GMT 1
Not really, the idea of them having an open relationship is quite stupid lol, they had their relationship like always they just spent too much apart (and had other problems that definitely broke the glass that we will never know) doesn't mean they agreeded to see other people if someone cheated they cheated just that no excuses, I don't see them both agreeded to cheat on each other they were a serious relationship not a teen relationship, and suppose they had an open relationship they would not have split and they did, they will just keep on seeing other people and getting back to eachother in a blink of an eye, also in the interview Vanessa meant that you have to avoid the routine of everyday doing the same with your partner nor that you have to go and see/get/eat other people, looks like another excuse of some fans trying to excuse cheating rumors ..
Sorry, but I think your assumptions are not different from the assumptions that others can have (yeah! open relationship, swingers, etc, etc, whatever)...that are just that, assumptions based on what anyone projected or wanted to see in their relationship...because it was THEIR relationship, NOT OUR...so the only ones who knows the terms of THEIR relationship, are THEM!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 9:42:26 GMT 1
Exactly I am just making my own assumption of how I think 'they were' I just don't buy that new 'belief' (based on what and interview out of context) that from a serious relationship of a decade suddenly they turned into swingers/open relationship in the last months/years, Just my humble opinion |
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Post by jcd on Jul 16, 2012 12:22:57 GMT 1
I don't believe the open relationship thing either. They are both not the types for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 12:49:21 GMT 1
I'm with jcd and Valentina on this.i don't think they had a open relationship either,i remember Johnny saying in a interview that Vanessa doing love scenes made want to draw blood.lol
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Post by avi on Jul 16, 2012 19:44:24 GMT 1
I'm not saying that I believe too...I was saying that I've read it too! (since a long time ago) But that's the "game"... when someone come here giving to rumors of any class some grade of credibility, then you're opening the gates to other people to come here to comment what they've read too, whether you like it or not...and you, me, us have to assume that WE KNOW NOTHING FOR SURE!! And in the gossip madness, there are even worse things have been said (yeah! even about Vanessa  ) but then you can't believe everything you read, isn't it? |
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Post by pearl on Jul 16, 2012 20:15:31 GMT 1
Seriously Valentina you speak like you were there with them,you were living the life/relationship with them.It's not your business to decide which opinion is stupid.You don't know better than us.So respect the other assumptions,do not call them stupid.
Again,I have my suspicious about open relationship thing.I find it quite possible.Maybe there was a silent agreement between them but with this Heard girl Johnny may be gone too much,he really felt something for her then things with Vanessa went down the hill.
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Post by cari on Jul 16, 2012 20:44:05 GMT 1
I'm still marveling at the fact that some people here actually are using E online as their source of truthfulness. For E to say they have something 'confirmed" by a "souce" is hysterical. Does anyone actually believe anyone connected to Vanessa or Johnny, in any way, would be giving information to low-life gossip sites? It's like that Laney person saying that Johnny's people had US magazine had them write a cover story, blaming Vanessa. Such a joke. Even though they have decided to separate, there is no way Johnny would want to rag on Vanessa. He has loved her for many years and they experienced the joy of bringing 2 children in the world. The tabloids are upset that they aren't getting any real news on them, so they are having a field day making up silly stories. Although, actually the tabs have already moved on to other people to run in the ground. It's fine to speculate on their decision to part, but for some people here to keep repeating ridiculous rumors from very dubious sources, is sort of sad. And while Johnny is supposed to be "dating" Amber Heard, in actuality, he is in Utah, on a very hot and dusty film set filming a movie. Amber is in L.A. with her girlfriend. And both of these facts are being totally ignored. And if he had any "interesting" visitors on set...a very crowded set, I'm sure one of the people milling around would have a photo/information. You think?
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Post by cari on Jul 16, 2012 21:00:13 GMT 1
Just thought of a prime example of something that was a fact, and how a tabloid chose to disclose this "fact." When Oprah interviewed Cruise at his Telluride home, he showed her this adorable little room under the staircase, that Suri played in (she was around 3 at the time). She had tea parties and played with her dolls. So, the tabloid took this bit of info and said Suri was kept locked in a windowless room for 5 month. I have no love for Tom Cruise, and am appalled at his religion, but I found this distortion of the truth so disturbing. These magazines should be run out of business. If they do that to him, just think of the distortions other celebs have to endure. Johnny and Vanessa, so far, have chosen wisely to ignore them, but it is disturbing because of the people who actually read that stuff and believe what they write.
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I'm not saying you should stop, but it'll be much easier if you just let it go for a while...
sometimes I think about stop commenting on this thread but then lots of people here say we can all share our opinions and then the ones who differ (like me) get bashed all over again and it's always the same all over again 
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) but then you can't believe everything you read, isn't it?