Rumors, blablabla

[cat]

Jul 15, 2012 11:24:34 GMT 1 Emilie-Jolie said:

Yes as we've all said before, the only thing we can be certain of is that we are certain about nothing in this situation, except that they split up. I think that is the reason everyone speculates, because its hard to understand how a couple who were SO intensely in love and so committed to each other and their family, suddenly decide to split.
Personally I have a hard time accepting they simply grew apart, because of work commitments or whatever. Vanessa has managed to release 3 albums since they've been together and has made quite a number off movies, despite what the US tabloids would like people to believe, her career never stopped, although it did slow down while her kids were very little. I just don't believe that they would have split over something as relatively workable as 'growing apart' or 'work commitments', for me that doesn't fit with either of their characters as two people so committed to each other and their children.
So that is why when people throw around other options I find it revealing, I'm still hoping to understand why the couple who used to define what love looked like, are no more. Even though I know we'll never know for sure.
So hopefully you can understand I don't want to be part of a 'tabloid trashy wet dream', just trying to eek out some explanation as to why the couple we have all followed for so many years has ended, even though I know as well as anyone we will never have confirmation of anything.

This is part of my point. The only people that know what happened are the people directly involved, it is their business. All the theories, opinions and judgements given by people here amount to nothing.
You can try eek out an explanation all you want but the only people that would be able to exaplain what happened would be either Vanessa or Johnny.
I personally do not find rumour, gossip and factless opinions on why they broke up revealing I find it quite sickening. And at the end of the day is nothing more than the same kind of fodder the tabloid press have been churning out since the break up was announced. On the one hand people hate tabloid press and then on the other they spew the same nonsense because it fits their own biased agenda.

[Emilie-Jolie]

Jul 15, 2012 13:58:40 GMT 1 cat said:

I personally do not find rumour, gossip and factless opinions on why they broke up revealing I find it quite sickening.

Then perhaps the 'Rumors' thread is one you should avoid when you visit this site, just a suggestion.

And I don't spew nonsense because it fits my biased agenda, I tried to explain my position and have acknowledged that I realise this is a thread about rumors, discussing things we will never know the truth about. It's all conjecture obviously. I don't have a 'biased agenda', whatever that's supposed to mean.
Anyway the tone of this thread has just become ridiculous. Every couple of pages theres a new plea to people to not look at this thread if its so offensive to them. It has become more about arguing amongst each other now than reporting whats being said about Johnny & Vanessa in the press or speculating about their relationship. If you are offended this topic, don't comment on this thread, quite simple really.
The speculation has died down now anyway. If and when Johnny & Vanessa begin new relationships it will probably be quite obvious and not warrant a 'Rumors' thread anyway so I think this will be my last comment on this thread as I'm bored of the same old arguments.

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^I can not agree more,why if don't like rumors and people talking about them do you come here ?

[cat]

I was not aware the rumours thread was just for the vultures to pick apart their relationship once juicy morsel at a time. I will know to avoid from now on. Enjoy your meal.

[callie]

If you don't want to read rumours, then don't come to this thread!!!! That is just common sense I would think.

[Monique]

You are spot on, Emilie-Jolie.

I'm so sick and tired of people being criticized for expressing their opinions on the rumors. Maybe some of you should acquaint yourselves with the definition of rumor.

Rumor - A currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth

This is a rumor thread so naturally we are going to discuss the rumors. True or not, this thread gives people an outlet to openly discuss them. Why can't they do so without being attacked? If you don't like it, then don't bother clicking this thread. Simple as that.

I firmly believe people are still crushed by this split and it's a natural human reaction to want answers. Yes, we won't get any answers, but it may be simply comforting to talk amongst each other and speculate what went wrong in the relationship that seemed so indestructible. In time, we will all move on, like Vanessa and Johnny. Until then, the split is still very much fresh and confusing in our minds.

I also think this thread has partly become a war of words between the Vanessa loyalists and Johnny loyalists. Enough. There's no need to get so defensive and aggressive when someone expresses a certain feeling or thought on Vanessa or Johnny. It's not a personal attack on you. Obviously, everyone is not going to share the same feelings and you don't have to agree with them. Just kindly agree to disagree. It seems respect has gone out the window in this thread.

And how could anyone possibly defend cheating and partially blame the person being cheated on?!?! There is NO excuse for cheating. If you care enough for the person, you'll have the courtesy and courage to let the person know the relationship is not working or you're unhappy and get out of it. Cheating is so incredibly hurtful, dishonest, and disgusting. Everyone deserves to be happy, but not at the expense of someone you once loved.

[Krista]

I agree with you completely, Monique.

[kittycat88]

me too!

[cari]

Since it's all rumors, and some of you have decided that Johnny was "cheating," how about this? What if Vanessa was the one cheating? I've seen pics of her with other guys, which is all they have to go on with Johnny and Amber, so let's see if we have anyone wanting to discuss Vanessa possibly being untrue? How about you, Kittycat...waht to discuss that?

[avi]

Jul 15, 2012 11:07:01 GMT 1 cat said:

Like every other human being, and that does include Vanessa, Johnny is not perfect, he makes mistakes, makes bad moves. He has always associated with rockstars, he has always been associated with weird movies, his dress has always been questionable, he has always had gay friends.
Still trying to figure out where the mid life crisis comes into play. Although since not one person knows, nor will likely know, the reason for their break up I think I will reserve judging,blaming or calling out one over the other on their perceived behaviour it is all just starting to read like some kind of tabloid trashy wet dream.

I'm with you on this

And, by the way, I'm tired of the "midlife-crisis" stupidity ...no one is in crisis mode, just because how happy they are or because they're just getting old...all his symptoms can be easily attributed to the crisis with Vanessa

And, even how much I wanted to deny the facts, ALL THE SIGNALS WERE THERE SINCE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BUT NO ONE WANTED READ IT!!

Vanessa working so much, Johnny drinking so much...they almost never were seen together, with their "agendas" over the years (when he came, she went ...), it seems that they were avoiding each other, to spend so much time at the same place together..."the secret of our relationship is that we're not together every day..." (that's not a "secret" of stability!...that was the excuse that served to hide their issues!!)...and even what french media reported, that the last year (when Johnny was in Paris for the "Rum Diary" premiere and Vanessa was there too in a concert and a Lagerfeld event) THEY DIDN’T EVEN STAY AT THE SAME HOTEL!!

So, even with the shock that they were unable to overcome their problems (what I always hoped) CAN WE STILL SAY THAT THEIR BREAK UP WAS SURPRISING?!!

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vanessa cheating alright proofs were? vanessa works mainly with men but you ever heard her saying how hot and beautiful they are? no right? they call her beautiful and stuff but she talks only about their skills that's why people don't trust in johnny

[jcd]

Jul 15, 2012 18:33:10 GMT 1 Monique said:

And how could anyone possibly defend cheating and partially blame the person being cheated on?!?! There is NO excuse for cheating. If you care enough for the person, you'll have the courtesy and courage to let the person know the relationship is not working or you're unhappy and get out of it. Cheating is so incredibly hurtful, dishonest, and disgusting. Everyone deserves to be happy, but not at the expense of someone you once loved.

Do you refer to my post?

And Valentina...did you ever hear Johnny saying about his female Co-stars, she's so hot and sexy or something like that? I don't think so...It's a bit far fetched reason to blame Johnny.

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jcd, well we have a Johnny mutually gushing on his co-stars beauty like Eva Green and the same Heard, he compared heard's beauty with a classic hollywood diva and several times heard was literally 'fangirling' about him she said also he is everything you expect him to be and that she actually enjoyed being in a sandwich with him and Aaron Eckhart in rum diary that's not very classy thing to say really, and then we have them getting into separate ways in his private jet (confirmed by people magazine, pictures are on google I've seen it myself) and he bough her a horse (E! claims his rep confirmed that, I've seen heard's pic with a horse) then we have pictures of a mysterious woman getting in his car with a very similar clothing and jewelery than heard. Rumors claim (i am not saying its true) that he cheated with heard back in 2009 (when they shot the movie). Then we have a Johnny several times commenting on Eva Green's beauty and she said he is really sexy and stuff but sure Eva had the class to deny these rumors to the french media unlikely like Heard she has a career a reputation and she doesn't need PR or jobs, all that is a little confusing that's why people jump on Johnny and accuse him of cheater, for a person that hates fame and do everything to avoid it and hates scandals he is just giving more fire to the bonfire

[callie]

I have always had my suspicions about John Nollet and Vanessa. It always seemed like when Vanessa was on a trip somewhere, he was right there with her.

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if these rumors are true or not, he deserves it, if he didn't said what he said or went out with heard these rumors wouldn't be sounding so hard right now, media is only squeezing the juice out of his 'suspicious' moves/comments and adding more details of what they have seen, too bad for his children and for Vanessa all the embarrassment they might be going trough, and even for himself.
callie John Nollet is gay (correct me if i am wrong) and he is her assistant/hairstylist he needs to be with her wherever she goes (specially for Chanel events) of course they are friends also just like phillipe her bodyguard or Karl Lagerfeld
If I had to point Vanessa with someone it would be 'M' their chemistry is incredible they are just friends but when you look at some pictures of them there's some lots of connection and you are like

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like this picture


I had never seen not even the same Johnny being like that with her in public, Johnny was never of public affection displays but, maybe that's why rumors claim 'they are dating'

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[pearl]

Okay,since we are free to voice our opinions I'm going to say this: I always thought that their relationship has a possibility of being an open relationship.You know what I mean...They were spending so many times apart it's hard for me to buy that no incident happened during that apart times.Maybe they accepted these little incidents of each other but in the end something went wrong.

[pearl]

Yes Valentina back that time when I first saw that picture I was like "What the hell?" I didn't want to say anything about it because then I would be the bad person.I know they're good friends but M looks so into her if they begin dating one day it's no surprise for me.

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Jul 15, 2012 23:03:35 GMT 1 pearl said:

Yes Valentina back that time when I first saw that picture I was like "What the hell?" I didn't want to say anything about it because then I would be the bad person.I know they're good friends but M looks so into her if they begin dating one day it's no surprise for me.

I don't think they will date because after a decade of being friends and working together it will be weird even for themselves and M has a beautiful girlfriend (from what I know) If he was single.. maybe they are very close but like brother and sister I think they would be great together but I just don't see it happening but who can blame him for being cozy with Vanessa ?! I can't blame him If I could be that close to her I would hold her tight against me too! ;D
But I am not surprised media are linking them as a couple with such an affection displays like the photo above, first it was only the french media then the us media and now (I am from south america) and here she is being linked with Mathieu too all over the web. Rumor has it they had a dinner but I saw no pics of that

[farideh]

I think i remeber her saying M was like a brother to her...who knows? Maybe their
frienship could possibly blossom into more??